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[Omnicat] <Nyaa> We will of course be playing Star Citizen. If you have a game package, you can join our subversion efforts right here. See you in the 'verse!
[09-30, 19:52] <herkz> yes, and i'm saying that is far below "acceptable"
[09-30, 19:49] <atikabubu> 4K anime? tell me more, John Titor
[09-30, 19:47] <HerbalNekoTea> We need 4K anime before we really need to compare those encoding, i guess some of those encode will not be compatible with 4K. wwwww
[09-30, 19:46] <Senfu> .flv best format period /s
[09-30, 19:40] <atikabubu> wait for daiz to pop out of the devil's ass and introduce something among the lines of x265 Hi444p
[09-30, 19:38] <NoobSubs> x265 will conquer the world someday herkz.
[09-30, 19:21] <x265> Yeah, I know it has problems, crf=21, what did you expect? I'm just testing low bitrate, to get "acceptable" quailty
[09-30, 19:17] <herkz> all of your comparisons look fucking horrible holy shit are you blind
[09-30, 19:16] <OnDeed> "<x265> Watch this, this x265 encoding is ~40% lighter than original" -- you got some ugly blocking and banding there...
[09-30, 19:12] <x265> Both are x265, just to compare how parameters really matters
[09-30, 19:12] <deanzel> Who cares about how x265 encodes and displays animu. I'm more concerned with how my favorite Chinese cartoons will look. I need that proof before I am convinced about x265.
[09-30, 19:10] <lotusgg> try aq-strenght 1.5
[09-30, 19:08] <x265> @HerbalNekoTea,yeah, testing the x265 parameters to find the best for anime, some people here has been really helpful
[09-30, 19:05] <jofs> This
[09-30, 19:05] <x265> So, light is way smoother, but the edge-detection (look at the squares in her skirt) is messed up
[09-30, 19:04] <HerbalNekoTea> Common, you are still arguing about encode... I think you was arguing for the last 48h...
[09-30, 19:02] <x265> (Subs does not appear in one of them because is skipped just in the frame xD)
[09-30, 19:01] <x265> Watch this, this x265 encoding is ~40% lighter than original
[09-30, 18:58] <lotusgg> -2:-2 would be a great for holding up to all details that psy washes.
[09-30, 18:57] <lotusgg> I wish there were cabac deblocking
[09-30, 18:49] <x265> I've tried those values, fading is way smoother, even with crf=21; so this means more testing to do, I hope is worth it
[09-30, 18:47] <lotusgg> and psy-rd/oq in x265 is not the same as in x264.
[09-30, 18:46] <lotusgg> aq1 will not work as good as it does for x265 in x264
[09-30, 18:38] <x265> I see, I'll try psy 0 values and aq-mode 1 (all presets use 0 or 2, don't know why)
[09-30, 18:34] <hazardous> but everyone using psy between 0.60-90
[09-30, 18:22] <lotusgg> also aq-mode 1 produced less artifacs at +-1000kbit/s
[09-30, 18:22] <lotusgg> with x265, try psy-rd and rdoq at 0
[09-30, 18:22] <lotusgg> it just fuck with the grain, also producing aliased edges
[09-30, 18:21] <lotusgg> psy is bad for anime.
[09-30, 18:06] <x265> I hope UHD 10-bit monitors/TV drops their price soon...
[09-30, 18:00] <nitekatt> Large TVs are awesome for watching stuff.
[09-30, 17:48] <[TRVE]> I am quite fond of my tablet. Fuck large, expensive, clunky TVs.
[09-30, 17:21] <x265> Indeed, mobile devices are not the best for playing that video, but playing 720p ~3000kbps 8-bit is good enough to kill boredom out of home
[09-30, 17:09] <atikabubu> not to mention that 10 bit encodes simply rape your phones battery
[09-30, 17:07] <SneakiestNEG> Watching on a phone defeats the purpose of downloading a 30Gb BD rip lol
[09-30, 17:07] <atikabubu> i have a 37" HD Ready PDP and fuck watching on anything else
[09-30, 17:07] <x265> Watching anime on a 10" while traveling, or something like that, is not a bad idea. Of course is better at home with my 24" screen, but that isn't very "portable"
[09-30, 17:05] <atikabubu> or you can watch anime like a baws on something 32+ inches
[09-30, 16:52] <hazardous> gotta have tailor enlarge our pocket sizes then :p
[09-30, 16:47] <OneCrazyRussian> Because in 4 years there's gonna be 22inch Iphone 22+ and his Samsung 23" clone
[09-30, 16:38] <NoobSubs> Why watch anything on a 3 inch phone when you can use a 22 inch pc?
[09-30, 16:13] <Hoshizora> MX Player is by far the best Android player.
[09-30, 16:11] <herkz> well obviously you can't use CCCP on linux so i didn't mean that
[09-30, 15:26] <x265> H/W rendering is way smoother than VLC or default video player, really amazing
[09-30, 15:23] <x265> Gonna try, thanks
[09-30, 15:20] <[TRVE]> MX Player.
[09-30, 15:13] <x265> Simple question: best Android video player? I've using VLC, which is better than default player (something easy to achieve)
[09-30, 15:09] <x265> For example, Linux Mint, provides VLC already installed (nothing easier to install than that), at least MPV is also very easy to install
[09-30, 15:05] <herkz> probably because the devs are bad. also, CCCP is even easier to install than VLC, so that's a pretty bad argument.
[09-30, 14:59] <x265> Which makes me think, why VLC doesn't improve the rendering? Is a big, long-term, even default player in some Linux dist. player
[09-30, 14:58] <shaddrag> I remember the days when VLC was considered, how times and opinions have changed.
[09-30, 14:57] <x265> Although, if don't know the better alternatives, VLC becomes the best option you know about (recently, that was my case)
[09-30, 14:55] <x265> Well, VLC is well known and popular, an easy solution to play almost any kind of media file. But that doesn't mean is the best.
[09-30, 13:58] <jofs> @sillybean: But why use VLC at all when there is better alternatives? I don't get it.
[09-30, 13:48] <OneCrazyRussian> It's because your VLC didn't even render them properly
[09-30, 13:41] <sillybean> @hazardous : but those rains pixels that u mentioned never happens when i'm watching anime with VLC
[09-30, 08:57] <atikabubu> where the hell is the Sabagebu ED Single...
[09-30, 07:55] <OneCrazyRussian> Now everyone shut up and enjoy Space Dandy end.
[09-30, 07:45] <[TRVE]> I remux DVDISOs and watch everything with mpv (or MPC, depending on which computer I use).
[09-30, 07:44] <txtsd> I've been running archlinux for more than a month now, and I miss mpc-hc more than anything :/
[09-30, 07:35] <sarachikorita> Disclaimer: I use mplayer2 as my main player, mpv as my second player, and mplayer1 as my DVDISO handler on Windows. (mplayer2 and mpv share a common bug on Windows regarding DVD filesystems; mplayer1 doesn't have this bug, and it isn't an issue on Linux.)
[09-30, 06:32] <txtsd> thanks @sarachikorita
[09-30, 06:05] <sarachikorita> Only limitation of mplayer/mplayer2 is its crappy rendering of bitmap subs. For that, just use mpv, which is a fork of mplayer2.
[09-30, 05:46] <hazardous> never use VLC!
[09-30, 05:46] <hazardous> there's always some pixel blocks somewhere with VLC and during action scenes, it rains pixels. not to mention video looks kinda blurry on VLC.
[09-30, 05:18] <txtsd> Is there a guide for linux players? I switched to linux as my default OS and I've been using mplayer.
[09-30, 03:59] <Bobezlol> x265 is being aimed at 4k BD's and streaming stuff (like skype video chat crap)
[09-30, 03:27] <S3qu3l> Anyway you can scroll further in the chat or it's just limited to those few lines ?
[09-30, 03:22] <herkz> yes. it's not nearly as good as 10-bit x264 as far as banding is concerned, which makes it pretty useless for anime.
[09-30, 02:35] <x265> Yeah, that was the example that made me try psy=1.0 values and 10-bit, I think fading and banding is one of the weak points of x265
[09-30, 02:32] <herkz> it's insanely easy to tell the difference in that comparison. just look at the entire top-left
[09-30, 02:24] <x265> Yeah, that was a 8 bit build, and you just said it, you need to go to the detail to spot the difference; so basically: x265 is only better than x264 in terms of quality/size at "medium to low" quality; but x264 is still greater than x265 if you look into the detail
[09-30, 02:13] <lotusgg> You can only tell it's worse by looking very very close at a side-by-side comparison with x265 with half the size.
[09-30, 02:11] <lotusgg> I do x265 as second format for many animes at a brazillian fansub, and the results are quite satisfatory.
[09-30, 02:10] <lotusgg> is this 8bits build?
[09-30, 01:04] <MisterDonut> he caught the stinx from Eien
[09-30, 00:59] <HerbalNekoTea> @Imouto6969 Nope, ArchDeco, a certain member of the translation team of FFF got some Computersaure problem.
[09-29, 22:32] <x265> I've tried 10-bits, and results is kind of the same thing, but bitrate is lower, thx
[09-29, 22:32] <Imouto6969> Has jinsei died?
[09-29, 22:10] <vivan> now switch to 10 bit builds and you'll see everybody is uisng them.
[09-29, 21:54] <x265> Amazing, psy-rd=1.0 and psy-rdoq=1.0, and there you have it, banding is almost gone (it took 4x more time encode though)
[09-29, 21:54] <x265>
[09-29, 21:37] <x265> It seems that crf=16 is the border line, above that, x264 still wins
[09-29, 21:34] <x265> Which I don't know, is how this will affect the size...
[09-29, 21:33] <x265> Yeah, I can see it, but as far as I know, that can be solved adjusting parameters, I'll keep trying
[09-29, 21:32] <Varshnyar> banding is present all over your release, and that was the problem i found when I tried x265 long ago
[09-29, 21:32] <x265> That means I need to find better settings for anime, x265 needs to improve fading in general, it makes a good job with edges, but lighting and fading need more works
[09-29, 21:31] <Varshnyar> But the difference between both screenshots is really big D: Can't you see that colorbanding?
[09-29, 21:29] <Varshnyar> yes
[09-29, 21:29] <x265> screenshoots are really closer this one, same bitrate and preset?
[09-29, 21:26] <x265> I'm really missing "-tune animation" in x265, it is a pain configure and experiment parameters manually...
[09-29, 21:26] <Varshnyar>
[09-29, 21:15] <x265> I see, I think that using "fast" is a bad idea, it causes that ugly effect on fading surfaces like that door
[09-29, 21:14] <Varshnyar> Close to very slow settings
[09-29, 21:06] <SneakiestNEG> It has been ages since I logged in but the last time I did Crunchy player went bad.
[09-29, 21:04] <x265> I used preset fast in that one, which one did you used?
[09-29, 21:04] <SneakiestNEG> At the end of the day we are all relying on Crunchy or Funi, no? Personally I watch older stuff so the BD rips are already up.
[09-29, 21:01] <Varshnyar> (same bitrate, x264 still wins)
[09-29, 21:00] <vivan> crf 10 is a way too low, on a reasonable values (15-20) x264 clearly wins, x265 starts winning on 30+ which nobody sane uses (since you should downscale instead).